And why do you care again?

06/23/06

Permalink 02:57:41 am, by Roulette Email , 492 words, 84 views   English (US)
Categories: Daily Life

And why do you care again?

My life is complicated. Well, not really. But there are aspects of it that are not obvious to outside observers.

I've been dating the love of my life for a long time. In about 2 weeks, it'll be nine years. The first four years or so was back in college. We’ve been living together for most of the time, to one degree or another.

That’s a long time. Well beyond the time most people stop dating and get married.

This isn’t to say we’re not committed to each other. Nor should it imply that we don’t want to get married. We do. We’ve discussed it many times, and I’ve asked her to marry me several times. She always says sure, but we never really get around to doing anything about it. There are a lot of reasons for that. I don’t particularly want to go into them, but let’s just say there are a number of issues that have helped us procrastinate. Not because we don’t want to, but because we consider the whole affair damned annoying.

Now, for the cheap seats, I’m going to say it real loud and clear.

NO! I DO NOT KNOW WHEN WE’RE GETTING MARRIED. NOR DO I FEEL LIKE LISTENING TO YOUR OPINION OF HOW LONG WE’VE BEEN DATING.

Thank you. Additionally

NEITHER OF US HAS EXPRESSED ANY DESIRE FOR CHILDREN, SO BACK THE FUCK OFF ALREADY

All clear? Good.

I don’t know why people feel the need to talk to me about this time and time again. I don’t feel pressured to get married. I don’t particularly feel that a ceremony will somehow make our relationship different in anything but legal status. Our commitment is already as cemented as it will ever be.

As for the child issue, I’m closer to 30 every day and damn if I feel like I’m mature enough to raise a child. Plus, they’re a serious hassle! And I’ve been told that should we find ourselves saddled with a tiny monster, it might be a good idea to cut back on drinking. And frankly, that’s a deal breaker for both of us!

Back on point, I’m tired of it. Don’t tell me what to do. Don’t offer snide comments about your preconceived notions of how a relationship should work and when I’m supposed to ‘move along to the next level’. No, I don’t actually think it’s just a matter of time before we start really wanting a child.

Thank you for you opinion. Next time you feel the need to offer it to me, consider me well informed on the issue and capable of making my own choices. Also, consider that the next time I hear this crap; I’m going to spend the entire conversation contemplating the best way to smash your larynx in.

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Comment from: Abba Zabba [Member] Email
The decision not to have children is never accepted, especially not by family. I once told my sister that I don't have any interest in children, and she started yelling at me about how I shouldn't make a decision like that yet. (Whereas if I said that I was interested in having children, nobody would criticize me for making the decision early.) I haven't brought it up to my parents.

There's just no reason why everyone should have children. I'm not one of the anti-population people who says that nobody should have children. If you want to, go for it. But that doesn't mean I have to do it, just because it's what everyone else is doing.
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 09:01
Comment from: odessa [Member] Email
As far as the marrage issue, you cold tell folks that your situation is fine with the two of you, thank you very much. There are many reasons not to get married in these times if both of you work and there are no kids - Like the bucks you save on your income taxes. All the other legal issues, such as living wills, can be handled easily enough.

As far as the kid issue. I think too many people just have kids to have them for what amounts to egotistical or family satisfing reasons. Then don't take their parental responsibility seriously. Look around at the generation of self-absorbed, not understanding-other's-boundries bastards that are coming up. I commend you for acknowledging the magnitude of the task and deciding you don't want to do it.
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 09:28
Comment from: sTmykal [Member] Email
But... but... as the republicans keep trying to legislate - Marriage is a union between a man and a woman... and if you're not getting married... well... THAT'S JUST UNAMERICAN!!!

On a serious note, two years ago, a friend of mine finally married the woman he'd been living with since 1995. We all thought it was strange and reminded them not to rush into anything.
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 10:05
Comment from: u235 [Member] Email
Third-world families are worse, especially if you have any realtions that have had arranged marriages. My mom would bear the brunt of this at family events when asked about me, she would say that we were happily married - promptly followed by "how many kids do they have?" When my mom would say "none" the next question would be "well have they sought medical help?"... the thought process being that obviously since we hadn't produced offspring 9 months after getting married there must apparently be a medical impediment.

I had one cousin thurst her child at us, and ask if we wanted to hold it. When we declined, she started with "well when are YOU having kids" to which the response was "not sure yet, we're still practicing".

I had one friend actually have her Mother in Law ask if she and her husband were "having problems in the bedroom - because you know you have to have sex to have kids". My friend had the tact to act all "surprised" and said she'd have to inform her husband about the connection....
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 14:04
Comment from: Roulette [Member] Email
We've never told our parents about the our opinion about kids. My mom pressed us to get hitched for a few years after college, but has since given up. Thank god. She was... less than subtle.

However, I can kinda forgive family. It's all the OTHER people I hear it from that drive me up a wall.

One thing I forgot to put in last night was the condescending attitude you get from others.

"Oh well, you'll change your mind soon. Her clock is ticking and it's a matter of time until it goes off"

That sort of crap. Like we're not smart enough to have thought about these things through all the way.

We may change our minds at a latter date. But for 9 years, we've been solidly agreed. I don't see why it's a foregone conclusion that we'll wake up one day and decided we have wasted our lives and need spawn to make it all worthwhile.
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 15:02
Comment from: Larathiel [Visitor]
I have quite a few couple whom I'm very good friends with who are in the same situation. Often times, people try to get "holier-than thou" with them saying how they are living in sin.

However...

The funny thing is, that going by a strict interpretation of Scripture, in each case (Yours included) the couple are *already* married in God's eyes. Just as Myke jokes, "THAT'S JUST UNAMERICAN!!!" there's a tendency for the traditions of Man to make null and void the Word of God.

Which is to say that it was people, not God who decided that a formal ceremony was a good idea. (My guess is so as to eliminate confusion and establish order among people whose hearts aren't motivated by good intentions.)

The people who say "living in sin" don't have a firm grasp what EXACTLY what the Bible says on the matter. Whether this is due to a lack of critical reading skills or being misguided by their pastor I'm not certain but it is extremely vexing.

*Strictly* speaking, sex itself cements the union of a man and woman in God's eyes. (Reference the case of Jacob, Leah and Rachel for one of the most obvious examples of this Gen 29:16-30.) This is why the whole "no sex before marriage" mantra causes irks me — it's an oxymoron and shows that the person saying it isn't as well versed as they claim. News Flash: It's not adultery if the girl hasn't already been joined to another guy. (However these points gets into all sorts of other issues that are outside the scope of this rant.)

Even the traditions of man still don't find much fault with this. Many states have what is known as common law marriage whereby a man and woman who have been living together for a certain number of years (7 usually) are considered to be legally married. Presumably this is in case matters end up in court for some reason. I *believe* that South Carolina even treats common law marriage in the Old Testament fashion (i.e. if the guy and girl are sexually involved then they are considered married).

In summary then Rou, feel free to claim the moral high-ground on this one if need be.

As for children, the only time I can think of that God smote someone for not having kids was in an instance where the wife wanted them and the guy purposefully/repeatedly wouldn't cum inside her because he didn't want pregnancy and childbearing affecting her beauty. (I'll find the verses later if anyone is interested.)
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 15:04
Comment from: Abba Zabba [Member] Email
Larathiel, you may be thinking of the story of Onan. He actually didn't want to impregnate the woman because it was his dead brother's wife, and the child would be considered his brother's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 15:29
Comment from: Cobra [Member] Email · http://www.3400z.org/gallery/
And the elf hath spoken...

I can see your point, Rou. I don't see why people have set a "standard" for the length of time to date someone before getting married, but when I was previously "engaged" we were constantly asked when the date was...and we never really set one. It got pretty old after a while.

I'm not looking forward to a "wedding," per se. If I had my choice, it would be a very small ceremony of just family...no fancy stuff. But it's not going to be my decision ultimately. So I shall deal because the woman I marry will be the one I love and have to tolerate for the rest of my life...:)

Oh, and by the way, have another, ya lush. ;)
PermalinkPermalink 06/23/06 @ 16:53

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